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Morgen um 20.15 Uhr kommt auf Kabel 1 eben "Streets Of Philadelphia".

Ich habe den Film vor 2 oder 3 Jahren schonmal gesehen. Damals kannte ich aber die Titelmusik noch nicht und interessierte mich auch für Bruce nicht weiter. Aber der Film ist mir noch recht gut in Erinnerung geblieben.

Ich denke, dass dieser Film sehr wichtig für die Schwulen- und Aidsszene ist, da dort diese schlimme Diskriminierung angesprochen wird. Äußerst sehenswert und sicherlich einer meiner Lieblingsfilme.

In unserer Fernsehzeitschrift steht:
"Extrem gut gemachtes Drama, Hanks ist klasse."

Also, wer diesen Film noch nicht gesehen hat, sollte es morgen unbedingt tun! Ich werde es wieder machen ...

Viel Spass beim Schauen,

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Ich muss immer so fürchterlich heulen bei dem Film... Ein echter Tränenschocker.
Hanks ist sowieso genial... Der Springsteen unter den Schauspielern...
(Aber fast besser ist er noch in "The Green Mile" - schluck)...

Man hat lange nichts mehr davon gehört, dass Hanks und Bruce zusammen Urlaub gemacht haben - die waren doch mal so dick befreundet....

Bleibt zu hoffen, dass Kabel 1 auch den Abspann zeigt --> das schöne Streets of Philadelphia Video.
Viele Sender blenden das nämlich zum Schluss aus, und da könnte ich durchdrehen!!!


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Einer der besten Filme die je gemacht wurden. Ein perfekter Hanks, ein perfekter Washington, geniale Filmmusik und die Story ist/war/bleibt aktuell!

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Nick hat geschrieben:
Man hat lange nichts mehr davon gehört, dass Hanks und Bruce zusammen Urlaub gemacht haben - die waren doch mal so dick befreundet....

Hmmm, vermutlich werden sie einfach nicht mehr so von Paparazzi verfolgt :wink:

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Nick hat geschrieben:
Hanks ist sowieso genial... Der Springsteen unter den Schauspielern...
(Aber fast besser ist er noch in "The Green Mile" - schluck)...

Ich finde, der beste Hanks-Streifen ist, hands down, "Forrest Gump". So einen brillianten Film gibt's leider nur gaaaanz selten.

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Obwohl die Herz-Schmalzen mit Meg Ryan auch toll sind... *schäm* Ich mag die Kombi von den beiden so gern (Schlaflos in Seattle und Email for you)....

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Er war aber schon ungeheuer produktiv - ich sach, ja - der Springsteen unter den Schauspielern...Oder sollte man besser sagen, der Dylan der Schauspieler????

Zitat:
Actor - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s) (1980s)

The Risk Pool (2006) (announced) .... Sam Hall
The Da Vinci Code (2006) (pre-production) .... Robert Langdon
A Cold Case (2005) (pre-production) .... Andy Rosenzweig


The Polar Express (2004) .... Hero Boy/Father/Conductor/Hobo/Scrooge/Santa Claus
... aka The Polar Express: An IMAX 3D Experience (USA: IMAX version)
Elvis Has Left the Building (2004) .... Mailbox Elvis
The Terminal (2004) .... Viktor Navorski
The Ladykillers (2004) .... Professor G.H. Dorr
Catch Me If You Can (2002) .... Carl Hanratty
Road to Perdition (2002) .... Michael Sullivan
"Band of Brothers" (2001) (mini) TV Series .... British officer
Cast Away (2000) .... Chuck Noland


Toy Story 2 (1999/II) (VG) .... Woody
The Green Mile (1999) .... Paul Edgecomb
... aka Stephen King's The Green Mile (USA: complete title)
Toy Story 2 (1999) (voice) .... Sheriff Woody
You've Got Mail (1998) .... Joe Fox
Saving Private Ryan (1998) .... Captain Miller
"From the Earth to the Moon" (1998) (mini) TV Series .... Jean-Luc Despont/Host/Narrator
That Thing You Do! (1996) .... Mr. White
Toy Story (1995) (voice) .... Woody
Apollo 13 (1995) .... Jim Lovell
... aka Apollo 13: The IMAX Experience (USA: IMAX version)
Vault of Horror I (1994) (TV)
Forrest Gump (1994) .... Forrest Gump
Philadelphia (1993) .... Andrew Beckett
Sleepless in Seattle (1993) .... Sam Baldwin
A League of Their Own (1992) .... Jimmy Dugan
Radio Flyer (1992) (uncredited) .... Older Mike
The Bonfire of the Vanities (1990) .... Sherman McCoy
Joe Versus the Volcano (1990) .... Joe Banks


Turner & Hooch (1989) .... Det. Scott Turner
The 'burbs (1989) .... Ray Peterson
Punchline (1988) .... Steven Gold
Big (1988) .... Josh
Dragnet (1987) .... Pep Streebeck
Every Time We Say Goodbye (1986) .... David
Nothing in Common (1986) .... David Basner
The Money Pit (1986) .... Walter Fielding, Jr.
Volunteers (1985) .... Lawrence Bourne III
The Man with One Red Shoe (1985) .... Richard
Bachelor Party (1984) .... Rick Gassko
Splash (1984) .... Allen Bauer
Mazes and Monsters (1982) (TV) .... Robbie Wheeling
... aka Dungeons and Dragons (USA: video box title)
... aka Rona Jaffe's Mazes and Monsters
"Bosom Buddies" (1980) TV Series .... Kip 'Buffy' Wilson
He Knows You're Alone (1980) .... Elliot
... aka Blood Wedding



Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Producer - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s)

Magnificent Desolation: Walking on the Moon 3D (2005) (in production) (producer)
They Marched Into Sunlight (2007) (announced) (producer)
"The Pacific War" (2006) (mini) TV Series (announced) (executive producer)
The Risk Pool (2006) (announced) (producer)
The Great Hartford Elementary Heist (2005) (announced) (producer)
The Spider and the Fly (2005) (announced) (producer)
A Cold Case (2005) (pre-production) (producer)
Where the Wild Things Are (2005) (pre-production) (producer)
A Wilderness of Monkeys (2005) (pre-production) (executive producer) (producer)
Ant Bully (2006) (filming) (producer)


"Big Love" (2005) TV Series (executive producer)
The Polar Express (2004) (executive producer)
... aka The Polar Express: An IMAX 3D Experience (USA: IMAX version)
Connie and Carla (2004) (producer)
"My Big Fat Greek Life" (2003) TV Series (executive producer)
My Big Fat Greek Wedding (2002) (producer)
... aka Mariage à la grecque (Canada: French title)
We Stand Alone Together (2001) (TV) (executive producer)
"Band of Brothers" (2001) (mini) TV Series (executive producer)
"West Point" (2000) TV Series (executive producer)
Cast Away (2000) (producer)


"From the Earth to the Moon" (1998) (mini) TV Series (executive producer)



Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Director - filmography
(2000s) (1990s) (1980s)

"Band of Brothers" (2001) (mini) TV Series (part 5 "Crossroads")


"From the Earth to the Moon" (1998) (mini) TV Series (part one)
That Thing You Do! (1996)
Vault of Horror I (1994) (TV) (segment "None but the lonely heart")
"Fallen Angels" (1993) TV Series (episode "I'll Be Waiting")
"A League of Their Own" (1993) TV Series (episode "The Monkey's Curse")


"Tales from the Crypt" (1989) TV Series (episode "None but the Lonely Heart")
... aka HBO's Tales from the Crypt



Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Writer - filmography
(2000s) (1990s)

"Band of Brothers" (2001) (mini) TV Series (part 1)


"From the Earth to the Moon" (1998) (mini) TV Series (segments 6, 7, 11, 12)
That Thing You Do! (1996) (written by)



Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Miscellaneous Crew - filmography
(2000s) (1990s) (1980s)

The Making of 'Band of Brothers' (2001) (TV) (special thanks)


Toy Story 2 (1999) (singer: "You've Got a Friend in Me")


Dragnet (1987) (singer: "City of Crime")



Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Composer - filmography

That Thing You Do! (1996) (songs)



Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Himself - filmography
(2000s) (1990s) (1980s)

"2004 World Series" (2004) (mini) TV Series .... Himself - Crowd Member
World War II Memorial Dedication (2004) (TV) .... Himself; guest speaker
Saving Private Ryan: Re-creating Omaha Beach (2004) (V) .... Himself
Inside 'The Terminal' (2004) (TV) .... Himself
The 76th Annual Academy Awards (2004) (TV) .... Himself - Presenter: Bob Hope Tribute
People Like Us: Making 'Philadelphia' (2003) (V) .... Himself
Rebels of Oakland: The A's, the Raiders, the '70s (2003) (TV) .... Himself (Oakland Resident 1966-1976)
Horatio's Drive: America's First Road Trip (2003) (TV) (voice) .... Horatio Nelson Jackson
Concert for George (2003) (TV) .... Himself
Intimate Portrait: Penny Marshall (2003) (TV) .... Himself
'Catch Me If You Can': Behind the Camera (2003) (V) .... Himself
The 75th Annual Academy Awards (2003) (TV) .... Himself - Past winner
Hollywood Celebrates Denzel Washington: An American Cinematheque Tribute (2003) (TV) .... Himself
The 54th Annual Primetime Emmy Awards (2002) (TV) .... Himself
AFI Life Achievement Award: A Tribute to Tom Hanks (2002) (TV) .... Himself/Honoree
The Making of 'Road to Perdition' (2002) (TV) .... Himself
The Honeymooners 50th Anniversary Celebration (2002) (TV) .... Himself
The 74th Annual Academy Awards (2002) (TV) .... Himself - Presenter: Best Picture
America: A Tribute to Heroes (2001) (TV) .... Himself
The Making of 'Band of Brothers' (2001) (TV) .... Himself
The Making of 'Cast Away' (2001) (V) .... Himself
Wilson: The Life and Death of a Hollywood Extra (2001) (V) .... Himself
Rescued From the Closet (2001) (V) .... Himself
The 73rd Annual Academy Awards (2001) (TV) .... Himself - Nominee: Best Actor in a Leading Role & Co-Presenter: Writing Awards
7th Annual Screen Actors Guild Awards (2001) (TV) .... Himself - Nominee: Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Leading Role
The Orange British Academy Film Awards (2001) (TV) .... Himself
What Lies Beneath: Constructing the Perfect Thriller (2001) (TV) .... Himself
Behind the Scenes: Cast Away (2000) (V) .... Himself
Twentieth Century Fox: The Blockbuster Years (2000) (TV) .... Himself
Shooting War (2000) (TV) .... Himself/Narrator
... aka Shooting War: World War II Cameramen (USA: video title)
Walking the Mile (2000) (V) .... Himself
... aka Walking the Mile: The Making of 'The Green Mile' (USA)
2000 Blockbuster Entertainment Awards (2000) (TV) (uncredited) .... Presenter


Saturday Night Live: 25th Anniversary (1999) (TV) .... Himself
Stephen King: Shining in the Dark (1999) (TV) .... Himself
The Miracle of 'The Green Mile' (1999) (TV) .... Himself
The 71st Annual Academy Awards (1999) (TV) .... Himself - Nominee: Best Actor in a Leading Role
Saturday Night Live: Game Show Parodies (1999) (TV) .... Himself
Into the Breach: 'Saving Private Ryan' (1998) (V) .... Himself
Return to Normandy (1998) (V) .... Himself
... aka The Making of 'Saving Private Ryan' (UK)
Saturday Night Live: The Best of Mike Myers (1998) (V) .... Himself (Guest Host)
Christopher Reeve: A Celebration of Hope (1998) (TV) .... Himself
"Celebrity Profile" (1997) TV Series .... Himself
The Story Behind 'Toy Story' (1997) (V) .... Himself
I Am Your Child (1997) (TV) .... Himself
Lost Moon: The Triumph of Apollo 13 (1996) (V) .... Himself
The 68th Annual Academy Awards (1996) (TV) .... Himself - Presenter: Best Actress
The American Film Institute Salute to Steven Spielberg (1995) (TV) .... Himself (host)
The Celluloid Closet (1995) .... Himself
... aka Celluloid Closet (France)
... aka Gefangen in der Traumfabrik (Germany)
Hasty Pudding Awards (1995) (TV) .... Himself
The 67th Annual Academy Awards (1995) (TV) .... Himself - Best Actor Winner/Presenter: Best Actress
Through the Eyes of Forrest Gump (1994) (TV) .... Himself
The Wonderful World of Disney: 40 Years of Television Magic (1994) (TV) .... Himself
The 66th Annual Academy Awards (1994) (TV) .... Himself - Winner: Best Actor in a Leading Role & Presenter: Best Art Direction-Set Decoration
The 65th Annual Academy Awards (1993) (TV) (uncredited) .... Himself - Co-Presenter: Documentary Awards
The 62nd Annual Academy Awards (1990) (TV) .... Himself - Co-Presenter: Best Cinematography


Saturday Night Live: 15th Anniversary (1989) (TV) .... Himself
The 61st Annual Academy Awards (1989) (TV) .... Himself/nominee (best leading actor "Big")
The 59th Annual Academy Awards (1987) (TV) .... Himself - Presenter: Best Short Film, Animated



Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Archive Footage


"I Love the '90s: Part Deux" (2005) (mini)
Saturday Night Live: The Best of Tom Hanks (2004) (TV) .... Himself/Various
101 Most Unforgettable SNL Moments (2004) (TV) .... Himself/various characters
101 Biggest Celebrity Oops (2004) (TV) .... Himself
Geschichte des erotischen Films, Die (2004) (TV)
Lord Stanley's Cup: Hockey's Ultimate Prize (2000) (V) (uncredited) .... Himself
The Harryhausen Chronicles (1998) (TV) .... Himself
50 Years of Funny Females (1995) (TV) .... Himself
Saturday Night Live: Presidential Bash (1992) (TV) .... Peter Jennings
Filmography as: Actor, Producer, Director, Writer, Miscellaneous Crew, Composer, Himself, Archive Footage, Notable TV Guest Appearances

Notable TV Guest Appearances

"4Pop" playing "Himself" in episode: "Hulluna korkokenkiin" (episode # 3.14) 5 December 2004
"Ministry of Mayhem" playing "Himself" 4 December 2004
"Richard & Judy" playing "Himself" 2 December 2004
"This Morning" playing "Himself" 30 November 2004
"Ellen: The Ellen DeGeneres Show" playing "Himself" 24 November 2004
"Live with Regis and Kathie Lee" playing "Himself" 9 November 2004
"Rove Live" playing "Himself" (episode # 5.39) 9 November 2004
"60 Minutes" playing "Himself" 19 September 2004
"Breakfast" playing "Himself" 2 September 2004
"GMTV" playing "Himself" 2 September 2004
"Late Night with Conan O'Brien" playing "Himself" 17 June 2004
"The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" playing "Himself" 11 June 2004
"Filmland" playing "Himself" (episode # 3.16) 26 May 2004
"4Pop" playing "Himself" in episode: "R'n'b haastaa iskelmän" (episode # 2.38) 23 May 2004
"The Daily Show" playing "Himself" 23 March 2004
"Live with Regis and Kathie Lee" playing "Himself" 23 March 2004
"Late Show with David Letterman" playing "Himself" 22 March 2004
"Great Performances" playing "Mountie" in episode: "Concert for George" (episode # 29.8) 3 March 2004
"The Oprah Winfrey Show" playing "Himself" 29 January 2004
"Celebrities Uncensored" playing "Himself" (archive footage) (episode # 1.15) 26 November 2003
"Tinseltown TV" playing "Himself" 2 August 2003
"Celebrities Uncensored" playing "Himself" (archive footage) (episode # 1.4) 9 July 2003
"Wetten, dass..?" playing "Himself" in episode: "Wetten, dass..? aus Böblingen" (episode # 1.140) 25 January 2003
"Life with Bonnie" playing "Himself" in episode: "What If?" (episode # 1.11) 26 November 2002
"Parkinson" playing "Himself" 21 September 2002
"Leute heute" playing "Himself" in episode: "Filmfestspiele Venedig" 2 September 2002
"Primetime Glick" playing "Himself" in episode: "Tom Hanks/Ben Stiller" (episode # 2.1) 23 February 2002
"The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" playing "Himself" 7 September 2001
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Himself" (uncredited) (episode # 26.11) 10 February 2001
"Breakfast" playing "Himself" 12 January 2001
"Inside the Actors Studio" playing "Himself" (episode # 6.4) 12 December 1999
"The Martin Short Show" playing "Himself" (episode # 1.4) 16 September 1999
"The Directors" playing "Himself" in episode: "The Films of Ron Howard" (episode # 2.15)
"The Directors" playing "Himself" in episode: "The Films of Steven Spielberg" (episode # 2.3)
"Late Night with Conan O'Brien" playing "Himself" 11 December 1998
"Famous Families" playing "Himself" in episode: "Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson: That Thing They Do" (episode # 1.3) 30 November 1998
"Extra Rosa" playing "Himself" 24 July 1998
"Dennis Miller Live" playing "Himself" in episode: "The Space Program" (episode # 5.23) 17 July 1998
"Harald Schmidt Show, Die" playing "Himself" 7 January 1997
"The Rosie O'Donnell Show" playing "Himself" 2 October 1996
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Host" (episode # 22.1) 28 September 1996
"The Naked Truth" playing "Himself" in episode: "Bald Star in Hot Oil Fest!" (episode # 1.2) 20 September 1995
"Late Show with David Letterman" playing "Himself" 16 December 1993
"Late Night with David Letterman" playing "Himself" 25 June 1993
"Fallen Angels" playing "Trouble Boy #1" in episode: "I'll Be Waiting"
"Tales from the Crypt" playing "Baxter" in episode: "None But the Lonely Heart" (episode # 4.1) 27 June 1992
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Host" (episode # 17.19) 9 May 1992
"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" playing "Himself" 4 March 1992
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Host" (episode # 16.8) 8 December 1990
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Host" (episode # 15.13) 17 February 1990
"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" playing "Himself" 4 August 1989
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Host" (episode # 14.1) 8 October 1988
"Late Night with David Letterman" playing "Himself" 6 October 1988
"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" playing "Himself" 22 July 1988
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Host" (episode # 13.12) 20 February 1988
"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" playing "Himself" 8 August 1986
"Saturday Night Live" playing "Host" (episode # 11.5) 14 December 1985
"Late Night with David Letterman" playing "Himself" 20 August 1985
"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" playing "Himself" 19 April 1984
"Family Ties" playing "Ned Donnelly" in episode: "Say Uncle" (episode # 2.14) 26 January 1984
"Family Ties" playing "Ned Donnelly" in episode: "The Fugitive: Part 2" (episode # 1.15) 26 January 1983
"Family Ties" playing "Ned Donnelly" in episode: "The Fugitive: Part 1" (episode # 1.14) 19 January 1983
"Happy Days" playing "Dwayne" in episode: "A Little Case of Revenge" (episode # 10.5) 9 November 1982
"Taxi" playing "Gordon" in episode: "The Road Not Taken: Part 1" (episode # 4.23) 29 April 1982
"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" playing "Himself" 8 April 1982
"The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" playing "Himself" 4 February 1982
"The Love Boat" playing "Rick Martin" in episode: "Friends and Lovers/Sergeant Bull/Miss Mother" (episode # 4.1) 25 October 1980


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Obwohl die Herz-Schmalzen mit Meg Ryan auch toll sind... *schäm* Ich mag die Kombi von den beiden so gern (Schlaflos in Seattle und Email for you)....

Naja, also ich persönlich steh' jetzt nicht so auf Schnulzen, aber die beiden gehen schon, obwohl ich finde, daß beide Filme nicht wirklich den Zenith von Hanks' Schauspielkunst zeigen :wink:
Sehr geil fand ich auch "Castaway"...quasi nur mit 'nem Volleyball eine solche Leistung hinzulegen, ist mE sehr beeindruckend.

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chris_darockaaa hat geschrieben:
Morgen um 20.15 Uhr kommt auf Kabel 1 eben "Streets Of Philadelphia".


Nur um dem Ganzen seine Richtigkeit zu geben: Der Film heisst "Philadelphia", und nicht "Streets of Philadelphia" (So heisst nur der Song). Aber das nur nebenbei, am Rande :)

Ansonsten: Starker Film, hoch interessantes Thema, super Darsteller und klasse Musik (auch Neil Youngs Song ist fantastisch)

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echt guter film

aber ich bleib dabei und bin gegen schwulen ehe und den ganzen s......


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jonip hat geschrieben:
aber ich bleib dabei und bin gegen schwulen ehe und den ganzen s......


Begründung ? Jetzt sag bitte nicht, dass der Papst das auch gesagt hat ... :wink:


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Das passt ja:
Wir sollen nämlich bis morgen eine Texterörterung verfassen mit dem Thema:
Homoehe und Kinder

Also ich sehe das so, dass die Kinder evtl. später Probleme haben werden aber ansonsten ist das kein Problem. Und was der Papst und die Kirche dagegen haben ist mir ziemlich egal weil die doch sowieso immer gegen so etwas sind.


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Der Papst ist in dieser (und für mich auch in jeglicher anderer) Hinsicht vollkommen irrelevant, der Mann will ein Spiel bestimmen, bei dem er selbst gesperrt ist :roll:
Das simplifiziert die ganze Angelegenheit jetzt zwar ein bißchen, aber what the hell...Ich hab jetzt keine Zeit, 'ne seitenlange Argumentation zu schreiben...(andererseits: bedarf es derer??) :wink:

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Zuletzt geändert von NoneButTheBrave am 02.03.2005 20:10, insgesamt 1-mal geändert.

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Jeder soll Glücklich werden wie er will!

Wenn man keinen Spass im Leben hat, was soll dann der ganze Scheiss??!!

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BeitragVerfasst: 02.03.2005 21:35 
man sieht doch absolut dass gott oder die natur egal an was man glaubt, es so eingerichtet, dass mann und frau zusammen gehören.
und z.b. in deutschland fehlen die kinder und wenn man jetzt auch noch die schwulen unterstützt zu heiraten ist dass sicher nicht förderlich für die geburtenrate.
widerspricht sich ein bisschen finde ich.
die argumentation, wenn er sich halt so fühlt ist schlecht, niemand kommt als homo auf die welt, man wird wenn dann zu einem gemacht oder macht sich selber zu einem.

ich finde nichts offensichtlicher als, dass es einfach falsch ist.
allein wenn man sich die menschlichen körper anschaut.
tut mir leid aber da bin ich überzeugt von


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